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Conversation Flow

This page traces the arc of the call between Pete Kaminski, Jessie Upp, and The Nameless One on February 20, 2026. The conversation moved through several distinct phases, starting as a two-person catch-up between Pete and Jessie, then expanding into a three-way dialogue when The Nameless One joined.

Opening: Pete and Jessie Catch Up (8:00 - 8:40)

The call opened casually. Jessie offered to try a new meeting interface (her DayBalancer platform), but they decided to stay on Zoom for the transcript. Jessie shared that she'd met a Water Sommelier — someone who teaches water education through tastings — who needs an engineer for a water filtration project.

This led Pete to mention Wendy Elford, an Australian expert in health, safety, and water-awareness. A brief, warm confusion between two Wendys — Wendy Elford and Wendy McLean — revealed relationship history. Jessie shared feelings of abandonment when collaborators go quiet, particularly around Vincent Arena and Wendy McLean.

Pete gently reframed: it's not competition, it's people getting absorbed in their own work. This led to discussion of Vincent Arena's schema work and the broader pattern of people in their network getting pulled into deep, insular collaborations.

Jessie's World: Projects and Connections (8:10 - 8:45)

Jessie shared what she's been building and the people she's connected to recently. Discussion touched on:

Jessie described her orientation: she sees everything connected, and that's both her gift and her challenge. Pete posted a link to an ephemera page in the chat.

The Nameless One Arrives (8:45 - 9:00)

The Nameless One joined the call. Pete provided introductions, explaining the context of how he and Jessie know each other and where the conversation had been going. The Nameless One is identified in the transcript as "~" and is called "Brother" by Pete.

Jessie's Background and Philosophy (9:00 - 9:25)

With all three present, Jessie shared her background — her holistic perspective, the experience of loss (her husband), and how it reoriented her toward connection and community. She talked about her work with co-operative networks and the vision of measuring Circulation as a Metric rather than growth.

The Nameless One resonated deeply, sharing his own parallel journey into community building and questioning conventional economic models.

Pete on Jessie Upp's Transition and Agentic AI (9:25 - 9:42)

Pete explained Jessie Upp's recent transition from active stewardship of a project to "steward emeritus," having found trusted people to carry it forward. He described encouraging Jessie to get into building with agentic AI, and how the January-February 2026 moment made this feel urgent for everyone.

This organically led into the theme of Namelessness and Identity. Pete mentioned naming a shared Obsidian vault with Jessie, who said, "I hate names. How about unnamed?" — which The Nameless One immediately connected to his own practice of staying nameless.

Namelessness and the Undifferentiated Field (9:40 - 9:45)

The Nameless One spoke about his spiritual experience — exposure to "the undifferentiated fields of spirit and consciousness beyond individuated existence" — and how this shapes his approach to naming. Everything he's spinning up is nameless: the nameless emergence, the nameless wiki, nameless.world.

Jessie engaged thoughtfully: "Even nameless is a name." She referenced the internet as an example — someone said "let's call it the internet," but nobody owns internet.com. The three explored the tension between needing names for coordination and the desire for something that can't be owned.

Interface Protocol (IFP) (9:45 - 10:00)

Pete took the floor to present Interface Protocol (IFP), his technical project. He walked through:

The core vision: everyone has an agentic AI, those agents gossip pairwise, negotiate disclosure tiers, and surface connections between people working on similar things. Pete painted a vivid picture of getting a morning briefing from his agent saying, "You haven't spoken with Mark in 3 years, but he's working on the exact same project."

Boardy AI and the Agentic Landscape (9:53 - 9:56)

Jessie introduced Boardy AI, an AI networking startup. Pete immediately noted it's centralized — "the wrong way to do it" — but acknowledged it as evidence the pattern is emerging. Pete shared corrective research in the chat: Boardy raised ~$8M, not $1B.

Claude Code and Vibe Coding Stories (9:58 - 10:04)

The Nameless One shared two stories of local people using Claude Code to build remarkable things:

These stories illustrated the theme of agentic AI democratizing software creation — what Pete described as "the least interesting thing is software developers doing software."

Agentic AI Course (10:04 - 10:20)

Pete presented his Agentic AI Course — a 6-week (compressed from 12-week) course at $800, with 20 seats across two tracks. He described the curriculum: Claude Code + Obsidian, Git, real projects, project management, novel writing as a stress test.

Victoria provided trenchant feedback that delayed the launch but improved the course. She also proposed becoming a TA in exchange for a seat and helping prepare async course materials for future cohorts.

Pete extended similar TA offers to The Nameless One, Jessie Upp, and Charles Blass. This led to a rich discussion about what "TA" really means...

Emergent Co-ops and Being Fully Yourself (10:20 - 10:30)

The Nameless One reframed the TA pattern: "I don't think you want me to be a TA. You want me to be as much of me as I can be." He proposed seeing this as an emergent cooperative, referencing Graham Boyd's work on sovereignty of emergent superorganisms.

Pete resonated but noted the AI Coaching Forum — a previous attempt at this pattern that collapsed and hurt. The conversation explored why co-ops fail and what makes this time different.

DayBalancer and the Commons (10:29 - 10:42)

Jessie shared her screen to demonstrate DayBalancer — a living system (not a "platform") for cooperative networks. Features included:

The three explored how this connects to project management needs — The Nameless One mentioned his history with Asana and the desire for tools that show green/yellow/red status across projects and circles.

Schema Negotiation and AI Ambassadors (10:44 - 10:58)

Pete went deep on how IFP solves the directory/matchmaking problem that has plagued their network. The key insight: centralized schemas kill interoperability because nobody wants to translate into someone else's framework.

With AI agents as "ambassadors, diplomats, impedance matchers," two agents can chatter until they find a shared schema — maybe Vincent's UN SDG mapping, maybe Ram Dass's framework, maybe something they invent together. Pete introduced the concept of Bards and Beat Reporters — human-AI systems that aggregate stories from across the network.

The Game and the University (10:10 - 10:16)

The Nameless One described translating complex systems research into a game narrative — sovereignty, circles, 90-day quests aligned with solstices and equinoxes, shared storyboard formats. A local group of women in Sandpoint requested a university-like structure, leading to the idea of a Nameless University with dojos and courses.

Currencies and Proof of Worthiness (10:15 - 11:18)

The longest single thread of the call. The Nameless One raised the question of interoperable local currencies. Pete invoked A Thousand Small Mints, a story he wrote to explain technical currency concepts.

Pete then spun a vivid parable about Angel, a disabled healer whose 3-minute touch creates immeasurable value — to illustrate why time-based measurement is the wrong foundation for a new economy. The real currency is "proof of worthiness" — you accumulate varied currencies and proofs across different domains, and these grant you access rather than purchasing power.

Jessie named the deeper truth: "You're tracking life force." Pete agreed — it's "service to the highest power... attendance to the health and well-being of everything."

Circles All the Way Down (11:19 - 11:23)

In the final minutes, The Nameless One proposed a "tabula rasa space" — a blank, self-governing commons. Pete pushed back gently: "trying to instantiate that feels impractical." He preferred circles building more circles, with the larger pattern emerging organically.

They converged: start with coherent, embodied circles. Those circles will call forth community meetings, bioregional congresses. In hindsight, you'll see the pattern was always there.

Jessie offered the closing koan: "The named can never be nameless, and the nameless can never be named."

Closing (11:23 - 11:25)

Warm farewells. Pete asked permission to share the transcript and the forthcoming "hypertext representation" (this wiki). The Nameless One gave blanket trust: "I fully trust your discernment." Jessie invited everyone to her Tuesday co-creating sessions.

Jessie: "I feel very nourished."

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